Classic Bodybuilder: Chuck Sipes
(1932-1993)
Updated 5/1/2002 with more photos! Click on the thumbnails to enlarge.
Enjoy this gallery of Chuck Sipes photos!
Chuck Sipes Stats
Titles
Mr. America 1959
Mr. Universe 1960
Mr. World 1968
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dave delson (2/22/2015) i remember you at your gym in hbg pa on 7458 derry street back in 1974 you are a great bodybuilder!
George Doll (2/15/2015) I first met Bob Reis in Beloit WI. Back around 1978, I was working out in a gym in Beloit when he talked me into going to his gym he opened in Janesville WI, he was a great guy and a very good friend, I learned a lot from Bob and I still think of him now and then, he was a great influence on everyone he met.
melissa (1/31/2015) When his gym in reseda caught on fire, it was my husband and i that ran to rescue his trophys and awards.
Dr Joseph Michael (1/30/2015) Interesting that a lot of these newer bbers went on to have supplements named after them: Big Ron, Cutler, etc.
Duane (1/18/2015) My favorite would have to be Roger Callard
vincent (12/26/2014) great photoes
jack gillman (12/25/2014) Good going Peter your friend from Rocheester. N Y jack Gillman from the 98th
Dave and Dennis Hamel (12/2/2014) Dave and Dennis says hello and when will Bob Reis be back in the Beloit wi area?
Glenn durant (11/19/2014) Great info
joe madigan (11/19/2014) sorry about the death of abe .it was dec 4 2002 not 2004 he still haunts this house here in maine with his spirit.i wish you all had a chance to meet this extraordinary man
Dr. Jim (11/14/2014) So proportionate they thought he would win everything indefinitely. Also, an all-around athelete--strong, flexible, coordinated.
MJ (8/26/2014) I went to his gym. He was super nice.
Don scoot (8/8/2014) My friend showed me this site. I am to old to type my self.But i loved seeing this site.thank you
Len (7/13/2014) A long time ago, you an article in Iron Mag. on your arm work out. Could you show it again? My email leonardtornquist@gmail.com
Len (7/13/2014) A long time ago, you an article in Iron Mag. on your arm work out. Could you show it again? My email leonardtornquist@gmail.com
DOM (7/8/2014) HE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE. WE MEET AT THE GYM I OWNED IN RESEDA. WE SPONSORED HIM
IN THE MR NATURAL AMERICA IN LAS VEGAS. HE WON 1ST PLACE. WE BOTH WERE FROM BROOKLYN. A GREAT MAN..
George Karchefski (6/22/2014) HI from Havasu. How are you doing? George and Cathy Karchefski
Phil (6/8/2014) Nice display of Darin Lannaghan who always had an outstanding build! Hopefully you can post more on him.
caleb (6/4/2014) Fantastic!
lori betts (5/28/2014) I MISS MY DAD AWFUL, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING HIM ON HERE,
andrea contestable piazza (4/10/2014) hi i am an old friend of pete grymkoski from rochester n.y. was in touch with him by phone in the 90s but then i heard he passed away..from a liver disfunction just trying to find out if this is true..thanks much anid contestable piazza..if he is connected to this site please tell him to post on my face book thanks
Herb M. (3/30/2014) You need to include Carlos Rodriguez Tucson,Az. A former short class winner of the world bb championship (IFBB) Mr. Universe championship 1978, Mexico. Once held U.S. Marine Corps physical challenge record.
Luis M Robledo (3/25/2014) I am the nephew of Elmo Santiago I have the displeasure to inform you that he passed away today at his home in New York
Greg Scott (3/15/2014) Want to find Donald Scott. I am his first born son, Gregory Allen Scott. Anyone know where I can find him? Email me at gasracing@sbcglobal.net
amanda (3/7/2014) Is there any more pics or info on vic downs. Only intrested as hes my mums uncle
Ref: Johnny Murphy (2/14/2014) Johnny Murphy- Classic Bodybuilder of Golden Era, is my dad, he is 86 yoa now still gives people tips on how to achieve a good physique. He lives in Florida, Johnny Murphy was his "stage name" real last name Kaniadakis.
bernie cortez (2/5/2014) yes thanks for accepting my comment you are doing a great job for the bodybuilding universe bob hinds is my no. one show more of him b. cortez
joseph mulhern (12/21/2013) he defines well built in the pre-roid era
Kristy (12/13/2013) I think the link is broken for the supplement page?
Mike (12/9/2013) Wow a what a superb muscled body Richard has. he poses well and show off that definition real well! Can see why he won all those awards!
Bob Birdsong (11/16/2013) Mr. Birdsong has always held a special place in my memories and he was and is forever welcome in my home and heart .... lfestes
robert goodan (11/3/2013) floyd page was my trainer for six months in1949.hewas so strong he took a navy sea bag full of wet towels laying on the ground tied to a rope and walked right by and swung his arm over his shoulderwith one hand and the bag went on his back no twisting his body just lifting with his arm.I couldent budge it with both hands.
you would have to see how he did it to believe it!
Caleb (10/25/2013) Fantastic
Dudley Rees (9/30/2013) Well beaten by Paul Grant in the 1972 Nabba Universe
joseph lenart (9/24/2013) how do I ad another photo of my father wally lenart to his other pict
Frank fennessey (8/27/2013) Frank says Hello. Semper fi!!!!
Norman Witt (8/22/2013) I knew Rock Stonewall in early 70s when he opened a health food store @1548 W Morse Av in Chicago
The Kirch (8/19/2013) Awesome site! It definitely motivates me looking at what others have done and accomplished in bodybuilding, especially the Old School bodybuilders.
Christine Comeau (8/17/2013) If your ever in Elkhart give me a call. Id love to get your help and advice. Nice Butt.
Sarah (8/8/2013) Urgent request: May I use one of your photos in a publication?
Aliscia (7/4/2013) Bud counts was my great grandfather
Rupert Birkin (6/21/2013) I believe there may be one error here. The picture in the bottom row, second from the right, does not appear to be Bill Melby.
Jimi Haroer (6/16/2013) Mr. Boudreaux is doing great..He is working in movies, in and around New Orleans...Still in shape and looking good...Ive worked with him many times,he is a super nice guy...
Jimi Haroer (6/16/2013) Mr. Boudreaux is doing great..He is working in movies, in and around New Orleans...Still in shape and looking good...Ive worked with him many times,he is a super nice guy...
ron fredrics aka romoff (6/6/2013) How do i find Larry Just to talk with him.. he trained me i invested with him he is the greatest guy Been trying to find him in Miami for two years i live in Lake Worth Fl ronlion@bellsouth.net I am now 80 Yrs old we were at the 47th street gym [ still trying to work out a bit
John Lettis (5/14/2013) My Deepest Sympathy to the Pandolfo Family. Tony Was a Great Guy and He Was My Idol For Many Years!! When We Trained Together ar Futereman. Tony Will Be Missed. May He RIP Now. Until We Meet Again in the Big Gym In The Sky!! Your Friend, John M. Lettis
Tony Pandilfo (5/14/2013) My Sympathy to The Pandolfo Family Tony was a great guy and he was my idol for many years when we trained together at Futerman Tony will be missed until we meet again in the big gym in the sky !!!!!! Your Friend John M . Lettis
Tony Pandilfo (5/14/2013) My Sympathy to The Pandolfo Family Tony was a great guy and he was my idol for many years when we trained together at Futerman Tony will be missed until we meet again in the big gym in the sky !!!!!! Your Friend John M . Lettis
Melisa Poling (5/13/2013) I have to say, I am seeing my grandfather in a whole new light.
Tom (4/14/2013) I would like to see a photo of Vic Seipke when he won the masters title in 1976
rray tatum (4/10/2013) What became of darryl powers aka lance ponton.
greg (4/5/2013) Wheres Gordon Scott? He was Tarzan in 50s.Not really competitive BB but handsome physique model. Looked macho in loincloth.
JX2828 (3/23/2013) He is the most beautiful man I have ever seen! Breathtaking.
simon dickinson (3/18/2013) Hi. Got some pics of bill hemsworth. My email is sidicko14@gmail.com
James (3/15/2013) Who is the other guy in the pic w/Jim Daniels )url below)?
http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/jimdardanis2.jpg
John Joiner (3/8/2013) I had the pleasure of knowing Doug Betts as he was a friend of my father and our family. He was a great guy and it is sad how unfortunate and unnecessary his death was. He had a Larger than life personality and you always knew that he was in the room lol. Rest in Peace Mr Betts and thanks for the positive impact you had on my life. Hope Mrs. Betts is doing well and his Son John.
DICK SIEGFRIED (2/27/2013) DISCOVERED MY PIC OF ME BACK STAGE POSING AND YOU NEVER ANSWERED BACK? I CAN BE REACH FROM PREVIOUS INFRO
Scotty (2/14/2013) How can I buy photos of bodybuilders from you?
Brooke (1/22/2013) Oh, regarding the Harris Turley query, I forgot to add that he owned and operated a Nautilus gym in Raleigh during the 70s as well. Also, please feel free to email any info to BETWitt@gmail.com
Brooke (1/22/2013) Hi all-
Does anyone happen to recall or even have any photos of a bodybuilder from the 70s named Harris Turley? He attended NCSU in textile engineering and I think had titles of Mr. Southeast and Mr. North Carolina, not sure of exact years.
Thanks in advance for any help on this!
TURTLERELLA @ AOL (1/12/2013) I WAS TRAINING AT AMERICAN HEALTH STUDIO IN MAN NEW YORK-- ALWAYS SEEING TOM-WE SPOKE OFEN I WAS 15 -SO SORRY ABOUT HIS PASSING WAS A NICE GUY- REM WHEN HE WON MR UNV.
Miguel Salinas PFC (12/15/2012) Hey Pat,
I am your partner from Ft. Bliss Texas Please give me a call I need some help for my autobiography.
THANKS!
Miguel I am now "68" and doing what most old men do....biographies
frank lavigna (11/25/2012) High school and USMC friend, Hitched hike to florida
Vinayak Ahire (11/8/2012) All these photos are very precious and classic, Thanks for providing it.
larry knight (10/23/2012) Bob must have been a very interesting person to know with his varied background. Too bad he did not leave his autobiaughraphy
Jerry Augustine (10/2/2012) Hey Dave-- I won Mr. New England a year before you! Remember those Mt. Park shows!
Jerry gasser41@att.net Want photos?
Jerry Augustine (10/2/2012) Hey Dave-- I won Mr. New England a year before you! Remember those Mt. Park shows!
Jerry
Efrem (10/2/2012) eight vince gironda?
ron fredrics [romoff] (9/29/2012) Larry where are you buddy I am in lake worth florida would like to see you i heard you were not well.My prayers and please contact....me......ronlion@bellsouth.net
ron fredrics [romoff] (9/29/2012) Larry where are you buddy I am in lake worth florida would like to see you i heard you were not well.My prayers and please contact....me......ronlion@bellsouth.net
ron fredrics [romoff] (9/29/2012) Larry where are you buddy I am in lake worth florida would like to see you i heard you were not well.My prayers and please contact....me......ronlion@bellsouth.net
ron fredrics [romoff] (9/29/2012) Larry where are you buddy I am in lake worth florida would like to see you i heard you were not well.My prayers and please contact....me......ronlion@bellsouth.net
ron fredrics [romoff] (9/29/2012) Larry where are you buddy I am in lake worth florida would like to see you i heard you were not well.My prayers and please contact....me......ronlion@bellsouth.net
ron fredrics [romoff] (9/29/2012) Larry where are you buddy I am in lake worth florida would like to see you i heard you were not well.My prayers and please contact....me......ronlion@bellsouth.net
TAMMIY WHITE (9/17/2012) DID YOU KNOW MY FATHER JACK LOZAN? THANK YOU, TAMI
DICK SIEGFRIED D.C. (9/4/2012) HERE AGAIN GENTLEMAN. IM CONTACTING YOU WITH PICTURE IDENTIFIED IN THE UNKNOWN. READ MY OTHER COMENTS FOR COMMENTS THANK YOU
DICK SIEGFRIED D.C. (9/4/2012) HERE AGAIN GENTLEMAN. IM CONTACTING YOU WITH PICTURE IDENTIFIED IN THE UNKNOWN. READ MY OTHER COMENTS FOR COMMENTS THANK YOU
addie from des (8/29/2012) hey i found you buddy
ronfredrics (8/26/2012) Please help me with any info about a great friend from the past and the gym 20+ years ago NYC we did business and work outs together he taught me so much got my picture to hang on the wall of the gym [47th St.]because of Larry Powers..[Cianchetta]. ronlion@bellsouth.net
LORI BETTS (8/23/2012) THE STRONGEST, NICEST, FUNNY, LOVING BEST DAD...THE FAMILY MISSES YOU.
moe noe (8/20/2012) Don was one of the GREATEST Bodybuilders EVER plz share more info and pics on him Thanks
Barbqd1 (8/17/2012) so nice to be able to check in on ya.
Lydia Tack (8/15/2012) Bob Delmonteque should be added to your list of fabulous photographers of the golden era. Very human.
daddyronn (8/13/2012) Steve was always my favorite -- all through high scool he was my inspiration wheneve I had a chance gto "take myself in hand."
dick siegfried dc (8/5/2012) what does it take to convice you that the pics me?
dick siegfried dc (8/5/2012) what does it take to convice you that the pics me
dr.richard siegfried d.c. (7/29/2012) hi this is dr. richard siegfried d.c.aka dick siegfried 1977 mr. west coast winner. ive given you all my info to prove the pic you have of me is., is infact me!wats it going to take to rectify this?please email me.@ richard_siegfried@yahoo.com thank you
dr.richard siegfried d.c. (7/29/2012) hi this is dr. richard siegfried d.c.aka dick siegfried 1977 mr. west coast winner. ive given you all my info to prove the pic you have of me is., is infact me!wats it going to take to rectify this?please email me.@ richard_siegfried@yahoo.com thank you
Victor Nicoletti (7/28/2012) A friend of mine was once married (many years ago) to Victor Nicoletti.
Born 9/2/1916 died 3/26/66.
We are finding articles/photos.
We know he passed away somewhere in California but uncertain to the cause of death.
Do you have any information?
Thank You
Pamela Sklavos Jaque
email: almaandinaband@yahoo.com
tom (7/26/2012) don howorth-awesome physique
rod (7/19/2012) how old was norman tousley when he posed for the above photos. is he still living?
jim (7/18/2012) where is jim haislop today?
ron (7/17/2012) what happened to physique model Norman Tousley? Where was he from and is he still living?
dr.richard siegfried d.c. com (7/16/2012) hi again. question, what does it take to be identified from unknown to known? what is the criteria? i can be emailed at richard_siegfried@yahoo.com thank you
dr.richard siegfried d.c. com (7/16/2012) hi again. question, what does it take to be identified from unknown to known? what is the criteria? i can be emailed at richard_siegfried@yahoo.com thank you
dr.richard siegfried d.c. com (7/16/2012) hi again. question, what does it take to be identified from unknown to known? what is the criteria?
eric (7/8/2012) the bottom left picture is my grandfather dick siegfried please post his name thank u .
eric (7/8/2012) the bottom left picture is my grandfather dick siegfried please post his name thank u .
eric (7/8/2012) the bottom left picture is my grandfather dick siegfried please post his name thank u .
eric (7/8/2012) the bottom left picture is my grandfather dick siegfried please post his name thank u .
Eric Fideldy (7/7/2012) The bottom far left is my Grandfather Dick Siegfried can u please give him his name so he can have credit for his picture???
rob (7/6/2012) as a teenager I recall John as absolutely a beautiful male creation!
Rob, an admirer
Jack Ciancio (7/4/2012) He was also Mr. Delaware
dr. richard siegfried dc (7/4/2012) your pic of me is still listed as unknown.if you need further proof i have many pics of me in early competions that will shed some light on it. please email me at richard_siegfried@yahoo.com when i competed back then i competed as dick siegfried.
mike (6/29/2012) would loved to have this hunk wrestle..His beefy muscles are outstanding!
roberto berenguer (6/21/2012) roberto berenguer mr cuba 1955
Larry Mifflin (6/17/2012) Bud and my Dad Dave Mifflin were work-out buddies in the 50s & 60s & friends for life. I always looked up to both of them.
Clarence (6/14/2012) RIP and thanks for everything, you were one of the best!
freqeist1 (6/14/2012) RIP John.
tom broster (6/13/2012) good to see terrific legs with good body
gilbert michaud (6/2/2012) what happened to many of them . vranicar among others
